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Profanity, Ad Hominem Attacks, Tim Minchin and Reason

Tim Minchin made a fool of himself and of secularism at the Reason Rally last week, and showed himself to be the real bigot, by interjecting vulgar and coarse profanity aimed at the Pope.  If that statement bothers secularists, atheists and other non-believers – why?

Either secularists are above such emotional and disturbed displays or we are no better than those who spew ad hominem attacks at us for not being religious.  One cannot be a person of “reason” and rationality, and then turn around and become exactly the kind of depraved non-religious fundamentalist we, who are reasonable secularists, decry as being narrow-minded and bigoted.

How are we ever supposed to debate religious people, and win debates based on sound reason and rationality, if all we do is let our own emotions take over our intellectual prowess?  If the reality is that people are drawn to religion more because it is of great comfort to believe in something, rather than nothing, how does what Tim Minchin did, how does what any non-believer does, by mocking, ridiculing, debasing religion with mere ad hominem attacks, as opposed to sound logic and sagacity, bring those people still teetering on the edge of either accepting religion or secularism closer to secularism?  How do we engage with non-believers so as to enlighten them with provocative insight, instead of lighting them up with anger, fury and outrage?  What can we, as secularists, give to those people who want to believe in something, but don’t necessarily want to believe in the supernatural?  Or is there some idea being fostered that ad hominem attacks are a way of breaking the ice, so to speak?

We all agree – secularists and believers alike – that the decades of child abuse at the hands of priests was an abomination, and what the Catholic Church did by covering it up, how they covered it up and that they denied it for so long is also an atrocity.  Well, there are still over one billion Catholics in the world, and tens of millions right here in America.  They did not abandon their faith because of this scandal – what makes anyone think they would abandon their faith when atheists like Tim Minchin sling insults at them?  Or, does anyone really believe insults hold a curious and awesome power – more so than rational and reasonable thought?  If it is true that some religious people lose a portion or all of their faith from catastrophes, religious or otherwise, and from internal schisms – isn’t it true that Catholics, and all religious people, are strengthened in their faith when they witness secularists behaving badly, and in ways that mock their religious faith?

What exactly is “funny” about Minchin’s anti-Pope song, what precisely is the justification for it, how does it benefit us or secularism and how does it move secularism from out the shadows, and us from out of the “closets” which many non-believers still fear we are being trapped in, and portray us in a more positive light and a more attractive alternative to religion?  After-all, wasn’t the Reason Rally intended to be as a “coming out” party?

Will religious people, who listen to Tim’s song, have an “immaculate” inspiration and abandon their faith?  Are you, as secularists, driven to religion, and to be religious, when someone tells you, you are going to Hell for not being a believer?  If you said no, if you said that is ridiculous – why would anyone expect any religious person to drop their faith for secularism over Tim Minchin’s anti-Pope song?

There is a time and a place to vent ones anger, however intense, however obscure, with regards to religion, religious practices and whatever perceived dominance and control, and hold, people may think religion has.  A gathering of “intellectual” minds in a public square in order to showcase secularism, to demonstrate how and why secularism is more advanced and evolved than religion is not that place.  And yes, it is wrong to subject children to such language and such bigotry.  Imagine an anti-Islam rally.  Imagine a Tim Minchin like character singing not an anti-Pope song but an anti-Prophet Mohammad song.  Is there any doubt the MSM, you, perhaps, (those of you who support Tim Minchin’s song) would call that Islamophobia, bigotry, hate speech, etc.?  Somehow, when it is directed at Christianity, Catholicism, Judaism, Mormonism, and anything non-Islamic, such bigotry and hate speech gets a pass.  We know why that is, don’t we?

Tim Minchin hates religion.  Fine.  But – why hate religion in the first place?  In other words, if you think you have a better and stronger position and alternative to religion, rather than focusing in on ad hominem attacks, take a particular religious issue and debate it rationally, challenge it and defend your position through logic and facts, rather than through the same emotional hysteria secularists accuse the religious of engaging in.  But if you still feel ad hominem attacks win debates – with myriad of juvenile attacks coming from the religious, directed at us, over the years and decades, are you willing to admit your own defeat and join a religion?  If not, do you really expect the religious to be, to feel, to act any differently when Tim Minchin insults them?

And, if you are more inspired to be secular through Tim Minchin’s song, his ad hominem attacks, just imagine all the cumulative waste of knowledge, foresight and provocative insight spoken, written and covered by secularists throughout the ages.  Isn’t it sad and pathetic to think about the time and energy of thousands of authors misspent looking for practical answers through reason and rationality, and critical thinking, when all they had to do to win their arguments every time was direct ad hominem attacks at their adversaries and their opponents?

If This Passes For “Reason”, Atheists Are FU***D!

Well, the infamous “Reason Rally” has come and gone.  That was the little event where atheists and non-believers were supposed to gather together and show how much more adults they are than Christians, how much more rational they are than Christians, how much more “reason”able they are than Christians.  Some 10 to 15 thousand people showed up, and in the course of finding more “reasons” to reject rationality, they – and everyone else at the Mall who were there on unrelated matters, and with their children – got an ear-full of that good old Atheist non-religion from one of its participants, Tim Minchin.

Warning – This Video Has Graphic Language, But All Adults Must Watch.

Well, wasn’t that delightful?  How much of that did you actually watch before you turned it off?  All reasonable people of faith, or without it, ought to be offended by this.  This is not how secularists act, nor is it in any way becoming of secularism.  It is, however, how liberals act, whether they be religious or not – but especially if they are not.  Richard Dawkins ought to be made to answer whether he found Minchin’s performance worthy of atheism, if the vulgarity (literally every other word) is a prime example of how real secularists act (it is not), and just how much “reason” went into that little “ditty” about the Pope.

If the “Reason Rally” was meant to showcase reason, and to prove that atheists can be, and are, more rational than Christians, Catholics, Jews  and all religious people, having watched Tim Minchin’s performance, isn’t it any wonder why atheism, why secularism, why non-believers are yet to be taken seriously?

Atheists like to say that Christianity is a farce because of its sordid past.  Atheists like to ridicule religion in general for its belief in the supernatural.  Atheist like to hold themselves up on a pedestal, as the defining example of sound reason and rationality and intellectuality.  Well – when Christians look back at the “Reason Rally” and dismiss it as uneventful, which they will do, one because of its low turnout, and two because they will point to Tim Minchin as reason enough why Atheism has no morality, no rationality – before Atheists complain that Tim Minchin was only one participant in a large gallery of intellectual speakers and performers, think very clearly, very rationally, dear atheists, because when you condemn a whole religion for the actions of a few who have left scars upon that religion, you are doing to that religion what Christians are doing to your “Reason Rally”.

There may indeed be wisdom and “reason” to be found in saturday’s ‘Reason Rally”.  How much “reason” was found in Tim Minchin’s anti-Pope song?  To all atheists, secularist and non-believers, do yourself, do your cause, do secularism itself a favor by throwing Tim Minchin under the bus, or at least underneath his own piano.

Secularism needs Tim Minchin as much as Christianity needs the Westboro Baptist Church or David Koresh.

The Un”reason”able, Irrational Aspect of Richard Dawkins’ Reason Rally – Says A Secularist

March 24th, in Washington D.C. there will be held a Reason Rally.  The point of the rally, however, has not so much to do with reason, but rather is another vain show of contempt for religion and religious values, and another opportunity for atheists, non-believers and people who otherwise disregard, hate and oppose religion, who find religion to be an obstacle to enlightenment, to further ridicule those who find comfort and value in religion.

Richard Dawkins, noted atheist, author, commentator and agitator of all things “unreasonable”, who will be among the guest speakers at the rally, asks the question, “Who would rally against reason”?  The problem with that question is that Dawkins asks the question from an emotional point of view rather than the rational point of view he is attempting to advocate.  And although his audience is, and will already be, persuaded, the groups of people Dawkins is directing his message towards (they probably will not be at the rally) will undoubtedly be unchanged and disinclined to accept anything he has to say on matters of reason.  There is a “reason” for that.

Dawkins, in everything he has done, and written about, has been to discredit and debunk religion and the supernatural, and man’s need for it.  What Dawkins fails to take into account, what most non-believers fail to understand, is that Christians, and all believers, will not be persuaded to accept his, Dawkins, idea of “reason” if it is only done in a manner, and in the same manner religion employed for centuries, which forces it down their throats.  Whether fact or opinion, anyone who has an idea forced down their throat they don’t accept, or which makes them uncomfortable, will naturally vomit it back up.  Until Dawkins, and all non-believers, understand that, and find other ways to disseminate reason, this back and forth tug-of-war will go on without much loosening of slack in the rope.  In other words – a stale mate.

As the basis for this rally, Dawkins asks:

How have we come to the point where reason needs a rally to defend it?”

The answer?  Because “reason” has been co-opted and commandeered by people who have ulterior motives, sinister and devious, for America and for the world.  The reigns of secular reason have been taken hold of by people, like Barry Lynn and Americans United for Separation of Church and State; like American Atheists; like the ACLU; like the American Humanist Association, etc., who want to see America transformed into a society devoid of the kind morality and ethics Christians and other religious believers ascribe to and use as a basis for living their lives, and for which America was founded on.

Well, none of these secular organizations have, or have ever had America’s best intentions, or that of the American people, in their hearts and minds.  And all of these secular organizations have one common thread running deep through their veins – liberalism.  And it is for liberalism, and those values and morals, (not reason or rationality) that Dawkins and other humanists, atheists and secularists are fighting to replace conservative morals and values with.  How is that “reasonable”?

A case in point – one “special” speaker will be Jessica Ahlquist, who is the young woman from Rhode Island who fought, and won, her case to have a religious banner removed from her public school.  A banner which apparently only she was bothered with.  And it begs the question, how much power are we willing to grant to one person, regardless of the opinion and rights of the majority?  There was nothing unconstitutional with having that banner in the school, yet a liberal judge sided with Ahlquist against an entire, or at least a majority, of her own community.  There is an eminent danger in allowing a minority to usurp a majority.

What is going to happen when America – or even when a particular community in America – becomes predominately atheist, and a Christian, now in the minority, sues to have a religious display in the public school they attend because they feel uncomfortable without some form of religious representation included in a sea of secularism and secularist ideas?  How is a court going to decide that?  In other words, if a court has already decided a minority has more rights than a majority, doesn’t it stand to “reason” a court must side again with the minority, in this case a Christian?  Or will there always remain in effect a double standard and bias against religious people, whether they are in the majority or in the minority, and only the non-religious will have the right to be represented?  That appears to be the type of “reason” Dawkins, and other liberal secularists, want in, and for, America.  Is that “reasonable”?

Dawkins justifies his position by writing:

We now know the age of our universe (13-14 billion years), the age of the Earth (4-5 billion years), what we and all other objects are made of (atoms), where we come from (evolved from other species), why all species are so well adapted to their environments (natural selection of their DNA).

In other words, Dawkins takes the position that religious people, those millions of Americans who yet reject evolution, who hold to James Ussher’s version of the world, are the threat to America and to reason itself.  Dawkins would like to say, and does, that the Bible is entirely made up; that it was written long ago by unknown authors, writing in their time, with only the limited understanding of the world in their time, and all that science has accomplished since that time to show, and to prove, some of which these authors have written about, and for which millions of Christians still hold true, is a dangerous impediment to reason.

However, not everything is equally dangerous, or equally a danger.  There are varying levels of danger, in other words.  And that someone believes in creationism, and that the Earth was literally created six thousand years ago, is far less dangerous and far less a threat to America and to “reason” than someone who believes we all ought to reject the real history of America, America’s founding and of America’s greatness and importance in, and to, this world.  Believing in, and teaching our children, that Adam and Eve were literal human beings, and literally created by God as the first man and woman, is far less dangerous than teaching our children the liberal, politically correct version of America which blames and holds America – and more often than not religion, Christianity in particular – accountable,  for every moral “wrong” committed by Americans throughout its history with regards to our treatment of Indians, for slavery, racism, poverty, class warfare, women’s rights, etc.

Well, where is their reason” in falsifying and degrading American history in order to eradicate these moral wrongs?  Where is their reason” in condemning the religious hostility and bigotry of the past by replacing it with the humanist and secularist (liberal) hostility and bigotry of today?  Where is the “reason”  in rejecting many known and established facts in the Bible, because a portion of that Bible is based on supernatural events?  And that some of the Bible is, and based upon, facts, doesn’t stop Dawkins and others from continuing to reject it.  How is that “reason”able?

In the end, the Reason Rally will draw a crowd of however many thousands of people in support of belittling and ridiculing religion and religious values; which will rally support for a more liberal-minded outlook, for liberalism itself, and its own forms of, its own pathways for, that liberal indoctrination.  What the Reason Rally will not do is answer the question – how do we, as “reasonable” and rational, intelligent, thinking human beings, use our sapiens “wise” abilities to the best of our abilities without becoming overwrought in emotions, and without becoming the kind of un”reason”able. irrational people Dawkins, and others, finds to be contemptible?  In other words, the Reason Rally will showcase everything but reason itself.  How is that reasonable, and how does that help the secularist cause?

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